There's a character modifier called vassal_limit. 45 Non-Aggression Pact Faction Block; 12. Combination that with instant mobilization - bad game design. Originally posted by Jiffypop: Originally posted by Dragster6681: If you mean the number in the top right, that's the holdings that are personally in your name. The vassal limit can also be changed in 00_basic_modifiers. Many scenarios like Charlemagne just don't work at all every since they introduced it. Check the box at the bottom that says 'include lower titles' and then select the duchy. To create or usurp an empire, a character needs to: Control at least 80% of its de jure territory. Apr 14, 2015 · You can change that yourself in the defines. The best way to deal with the vassal limit is to manage your kingdom's titles hierarchy. the same happens if i declare holy war on saxony. Feudal gets "Imperial Administration," which is a huge increase to the vassal limit in exchange for a -10 opinion malus to all vassals. There are two types of notifications: messages and Go toin \Crusader Kings II\common folder Make a backup copy of the file that is named defines. 50 Court Size Limit; 13 See also The baron pays 3% to the count, which means the Duke receives 0. There are fewer than 60 dejure empires on the map, so you'll never hit the vassal limit with this. Owning a Kingdomtier and a barony is not counted. Mar 11, 2021 · The realm laws screen (v. For vassals you have the trigger over_vassal_limit. Now there was blobbing in CK2 but one of the For others who have built huge empires, how do you manage being over vassal limit when you reach this point in the game? Is there a way to fix this or do you just ignore the penalties because you're so large? Your vassal limit is made up of count or higher, non-tribal vassals unless you are tribal yourself, in which case tribal count and above count too. lua, by increasing the default vassal limit. 2. He'll be very happy that you're giving him land and titles. Apr 25, 2018 · Furthermore, think the rule is "you count towards liege vassal limit if you hold a county" as even the patriarch of Constantinople don't count unless you hand him a personal county. As for how serious this penalty actually is, the game file defines. So, around 5 kingdoms you basically have to have 4 king level vassals. now i declare war on bavaria for its kingdom title and i can only raise my own demense levies. Basically, it's a linear penalty. Yes, you'll end up with -95% vassal taxes and -95% vassal levies, but never -100%, and the remaining 5%, plus your personal levies and MaA, will still make you the most powerful ruler on the map. . Now this happens: - I conquer the final duchy - I set Byz as my primary title (was HRE before) - I invoke "Restore When you hit the empire level and the vassal limit, you'll need to start giving them kingdoms instead of duchies to keep your numbers down since 1 king could have maybe 10 vassal dukes, reducing your vassal limit to just the kings. 5Consider giving into minor demands. Exactly the same process for Kingdoms, but it will only be available if you're an emperor. There is a limit to 4 prisoners per blot. if u plan to take over the world u need to make vassal kings its that simple or vice kings or you will go over the limit. I'm honestly surprised the crown authority laws have no effect on this, since that was one of the major effects that the various council laws gave in CK2. I prefer not to create kings in Greece and Anatolia, for fear they would desire the Byzantine Empire and get -25 opinion. No, Im talking about vassal limit. Showing 1 - 3 of 3 comments. Centralization makes more historical and realistic sense than a tech increase, I suppose, but I do kind of feel that the trade-off is too steep between demense limit and vassal limit. I can't change any laws since its been stuck on voting for Medium Crown Authority for almost With all of this done, your vassals should be nicely expanding your empire and converting the land. The military thing doesn't really apply to the ck3 rally point system anyway. When I click on my character's portrait and check his vassals and his court there, it's both around 30/40. For example, rename it defines. IE You could transfer the duke of York to the king of England, but not to the king of Scotland. *. Then use console command to switch to that lord, send the vassalization offer, accept it, then switch back to your main character. Per page: 15 30 50. Of how the way I play the game, I actually find the vassal limit a waste of time as I Jun 3, 2022 · 6. 1Benefits of having as many individual rulers as possible in the hierarchy under you. txt if you wish to mod the game. Sep 7, 2019 · 3. looking around you will probably find some counts are serving you directly rather than a duke you may already have. Nov 11, 2023 · De jure empires in 1066. Crusader Kings is a historical grand strategy / RPG game series for PC, Mac, Linux, PlayStation 5 &… Oct 20, 2014 · Discussions Rules and Guidelines. 42 Crusader States; 12. I had dozens of them. Couple of weeks ago i decided to start new game with new patch - and to my surprise the vassal limit was still 40 for king, though i changed the very same variable. 49 Historical Great Works; 12. Shoving vassals under lieges even though they're not de jure part of their domain when needed. As the title says, I'm over my vassal limit, and I'm not sure how to rectify this, short of revoking someone's title. I why can't i raise vassal levies? i'm playing ck2 charlemagne as karl karling and just inherited my brother's kingdom. Add bookmark. #3. As MR, retinues and gold (for mercs) are how you grab and hold the majority of your power. Now you have a lord mayor, who used to be a prince mayor, with only a tribal county. Share. Check the "include lower titles" check box so any de jure vassals pass to the duke. Cons: More discontent among your vassals. Hand out the duchy to some count in the de jure area of the duchy. Therefore, conquering duchy, kingdom or empire tier Feb 14, 2024 · Up to 9 clans may exist in a nomadic realm; the maximum number of vassal khans a Khagan may have is 8. "Palace bonus" is determined by the number of I might have found a fix. My current rank is king, and several of those vassals are dukes and counts. Everything is well described in there. 48 Great Works; 12. 418K subscribers in the CrusaderKings community. If you really want anti-blobbing turn on provincial revolt strength to 4x. For example, vassal_limit = 20 will increase the vassal limit by 20. Engage in courtly intrigue, dynastic struggles, and holy warfare in mediæval Europe, Africa, the Middle East, India, the steppes and Tibet. This mod sends an event to the vassals of a defender in a war, if these vassals are somehow affected by this war. Close game and then start it up again and it should sort out your actual vassal count. They require the Conclave DLC, and replace both demesne laws and crown authority when the DLC is active. Vassal limit. As a vassal, you get no bonus levies from your capital as a count, and a reduced bonus of +25% from the capital and +15% from The problem is that i can not seem to figure out how to "transfer" Vassals as the game tells me to. Create duchies converting 4 county vassals into 1 duke. We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. First level of Crown and Tribal Authority laws now add 20 vassals to limit, and reduces it by 10 for each next level (+20/+10/+0/-10), like centralization in CK2. It says game rules minus 12, which Ive never noticed before, or changed any rules. CK2 limit was much smaller, 20 if I remember. 3: Find the "defines" LUA file, and open it with notebook. lua. Realm laws are laws concerning how the realm is governed. The major issue with vassal limit is that I Oct 1, 2020 · Description. In practice, much of your power come May 12, 2015 · 319. 47 Hellenic Revival; 12. In CK2, I used to love setting the vassal limit to 1/4, forcing myself to maintain a small number of powerful vassals. Posts: 5. And making kinsman vassal vice kings can help with upping your family prestige. That being said, yes, vassals of vassals pay less taxes. Eventually when you get majesty 5 you can implement imperial administration which results in a +25 vassal limit, but prior to that upgrade vassal tiers as required, and when you become an emperor convert them to king vassals allowing you to take basically half the map before you even need to change centralisation laws away from high. Your dynasty should be growing exponentially, and the game will start playing itself. 000004 gold from that barony. Jul 14, 2015 · Jul 19, 2015. the raise vassal levies is grayed out. 2: Open the "common" folder. 06b change that it's no longer possible to transfer vassals to a new liege if said liege is not the de-jure ruler of the vassal? Please, this incredibly annoying limitation makes me insane, my OCD demands clean borders. The title is held by Emperor -ranked characters only. When you form a empire, you will by then have a massive amount of land to draw troops from, if you don't give out or have the king titles, it becomes harder to keep good relations with the vassals of the area, which means more back stabbing and in house fighting and squabbles. 41 Grant Independence; 12. This modification adds variety to the vassal limit. Law. Usually its 10%. you could do a direct vassal cleanup. . #2. Independent rulers get a +50% bonus to levies from the capital, and +25% bonus from their capital duchy if they're a duke or above. Over Vassal Limit: a percentage depending on the number of vassals in excess of vassal limit. I just got my gavelkind multi-kingdom kingdom border gored after my death. The 10% limit is on either number of holdings or number of counties. Yes, but it was so small that when compared to North Korea and Retinues it was like a drop in the ocean. Right now I look on my empire and I have 70 vassals with no limit in sign. I'm relatively certain that a higher state diplomacy increases vassal limit. I was sitting at 43/40 and kept creating duchies to lighten the load but the number wouldn’t go down. In both cases, this means you can create a new single-county MR for each approx 10 counties in your realm. The whole Charlemagne start is just not working as intended if you have it enabled. If you exceed your demense or duchy limit, they will be angry with you. At 130 and beyond you can safely ignore vassal limit. It made realm management a lot more interesting, even at the empire level. Dec 19, 2014 · A Duke vassal might be able to carve out new land for himself and you. I can´t, I'm in ironman mode. When deciding whether to make your existing vassals more powerful, just do a spot check of your total personal military As a friend of order, I would like to differ between "Tyranny" and "Rovoked Vassal" maluses as Tyranny is bad in so many other aspects than opinion malus. retief1. Apr 26, 2022 · Year ago i managed to increase vassal limit by editing 00_basic_modifiers. [CK2 question]: Vassal limit . For each Muslim or Christian sacrificed, you gain 50 prestige and 25 piety, and pagans give you 25 prestige and 10 piety. Used to make mayors out of tribal holdings. You can always transfer a baron level vassal or count level vassal to any higher vassal, but any title higher than that must be transferred to their de jure liege. but you will lose the territory you are giving. The new ruler quickly Apr 30, 2019 · Add bookmark. 5 is rounded up). Mar 10, 2021 · Over Vassal Limit: a percentage depending on the number of vassals in excess of vassal limit. The portrait of emperor (or equivalent) has a golden border adorned by gems. Oct 14, 2020 · The solution to the vassal limit issue is to simply create bigger vassals. At the start of a civil war, every single vassal in the realm will be called to pick their side, creating multiple blocs of loyalist and rebel factions throughout the realm fighting for dominance. Jul 4, 2024 · The Republic screen. It's sensible to make a backup of this file, in case you mess anything up. 8) Hint: scroll down to find these laws. 43 Pregnancy Flavor; 12. I like to give each viceroy vassal about a de jure empire. The vassal limit just prevents abuse of game mechanics because the game isn't a perfect simulation of how things would work in a real scenario. So the vassal limit thingy only counts certain ranks, I I have been playing as Grand Emperor (HRE+Byz) waiting for the last duchy required for restoring Roman Empire. Nov 15, 2023 · At least some were last verified for version 2. How are you supposed to make a kingdom if you can only have like 11 bits of land. Feb 21, 2024 · As a vassal, your military is weaker than independent rulers of the same size and rank. Jan 8, 2022 · Reworked Civil Wars. Create some duchies. As emperor of HRE I hold Kingdom of Italy that I govern. With more duchies to hand out, you will have fewer vassals to worry about. Award. The thing is, it's very unclear to me what the criteria for this limit are. Dec 18, 2022 · jonjowett said: Another reason for keeping them small is if you have the "Vassal Republics: Restricted" game rule (required for achievements). Is there a bug or something that is preventing my vassals from counting toward my vassal limit? It was a mechanic i was actually looking foreward to exploring. Date Posted: Oct 19, 2020 @ 6:59pm. I've never played a game where I became an Emperor, so this is new to me to have so many vassals. May 12, 2015. 1Marry your vassals. Make sure that the relevant counties are properly vassalized to the correct vassal dukes. 09% of the barony's gold, the king receives 0. 4Avoid providing an opportunity by keeping vassals busy. Mentos Feb 23, 2015 @ 12:04pm. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement. If you have nothing but small dukes in all of your territories then at most a vassal will only be able to hold 2 or 3 kingdoms. Open diplo menu with lord you want to vassalize and bring up the "offer vassalization" command that is most likely grayed out. click on your vassal and give him land/independancy. Check your centralization law. High and low priority message feeds, and message rules outliner. As in I have 91/80 vassals, but I cant get it to go down. Maybe you have a count reporting directly to you who should be reporting to a vassal. If instead you have dukes with 3 or even 4 dejure duchies under their control then those super viceroys will be able to hold 7 or more kingdoms without issue. on the other hand, the pope does count as he own entire Rome county. CK2 being a complex sandbox game, the amount of notifications received by the player is vital: too few and opportunities will be missed, too many and game will become a headache. Report. 0027% of the barony's gold, and the emperor receives 0. The number of vassal clans increases by one for every 5 nomadic counties in the realm, reaching the maximum at 40 nomadic counties. What if i have a big money generating county or even duchy with focus on money, it seems like republican vassal would be more beneficial. Muslim trade republics use the Walî Emir title instead of Grand Mayor, and Walî Malik instead of Doge. In CK3, the vassal limit is almost theoretical. My vassal limit fluctuated around 54-55; laws-wise, "Imperial Administration" giving +25 to vassal limit was in place. Instead, Khagans will be increasingly pressured to give out excess nomadic counties (defined as counties with 0 or 1 settlement) to vassal clans (or to start a new clan), as excess counties lower clan sentiment, which lowers vassal khans' opinion towards the Khagan. You can use the direct vassal map mode to check this out, toggle between that and the duchy map mode to get a feel for who you should transfer. To revoke in excess of this, I use the plot, that grants 2 free revokes Oct 1, 2020 · Description. 2Make vassals unable to join factions. Crusader Kings II > General Discussions > Topic Details. Is this a bug or what am i supposed to do? 2. luaORG Use notepad ++ to open defines. An Empire is the highest tier of landed titles in Crusader Kings II, above kingdom. As for increasing the vassal limit through mods, it's very possible. Which means the higher your rank, the more vassals you can have within that limit. May 29, 2024 · The trade post limit of a given patrician is calculated using the following formula: Trade post limit = (1 + PalaceBonus + Number of unlanded adult male dynasty members in court + CapitalBonus) * (1 + Trade Practices technology bonus) The result of the above formula is rounded (. 1: Find your Crusader Kings 2 folder. Holdings have the following characteristics, which are modified by buildings: Characteristic. BUT, if your de jure kingdom now contains 15 or 20 duchies, rather that (say) its original 5 or 7, well, that's 15 or 20 dukes you pretty much have to keep as direct Sep 14, 2020 · New Vassal Limit and Mechanisms. How do I increase my vassal limit? Hello everyone, I recently installed CK2, I'm very new to CK2 and strategy games in general and I was conquering the kingdom of Aquitaine and Arles to become emperor of France but I realized I can only have 20 vassals, Is there a way to increase that number? open in text editor, search for VASSAL_BASE_LIMIT and edit as you want it. 6. They also do not pay taxes to the Khagan or provide We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Vassal limit is to big, which permitted creating of very big empires. Lower centralization. Its not a bug, just the way vassal transfer works. So there is a lot of blobbing in CK3 and in some part this is due to the extremely high vassal limit. 7. Can anyone tell me what i am missing here? I just tested it and it seems to take a few months time in game to subtract the vassals from your limit after granting Nov 5, 2014 · Hey everyone, In my current game my rulers profile shows that I have 11 vassals, yet my vassal limit window is showing 0/21. Feudal vassals give 25% maximum but with big opinion penalties. Teching up to Majesty V for the Imperial admin (+25 to vassal limit) Being the HRE (+20 to vassal limit) Piling several viceroyalty kingdoms on a single vassal. 46 Blood Splatter; 12. I feel that the more I expand my empire, the more tedious it gets managing the vassals. Penalty is ridiculously high, being 10% over your limit can easily be -100% to everything and instant free faction revolt. If you don't plan on conquering an entire continent, you might not even realize there is a vassal limit. To wit, you do not make money from your vassals' vassals' baronies. Basically it puts you into a death-spiral unless you have several thousand gold to recreate all the Duke titles again. Jan 2, 2022 · The special HRE election law gives +20 vassal limit to its holder. If its a bug, please let me know. Nov 4, 2012 · Is there any way (preferably console-command) to revoke the 1. Vassal limit also increases as you reach higher tiers of rulership (duchy, kingdom, empire), and once you have a large enough empire, you can adopt imperial administration to increase it by 25. Before: Vassals = 3 (3 dukes) Emperor (You) Duke X | Duke Y | Duke Z After: Vassals = 1 (1 king) Crusader Kings is a historical grand strategy / RPG game series for PC, Mac, Linux, PlayStation 5 & Xbox Series X|S developed & published by Paradox Development Studio. According to the limit on the right top corner of the screen, I have 16 vassals while I can only have 13. Oct 19, 2020 · Vassal limit Is it broke or something? It says Ive got 68, Crusader Kings III > General Discussions > Topic Details. Or a barony level title that you can transfer the same way. My opinions on it are developing. Revoke the city holding and titular kingdom title. You can only transfer vassals to their de jure liege. The elected ruler is called a Grand Mayor, Doge (pronounced [ˈdəʊʒ]) or Grand Prince. Vassals can declare for their liege and raise their armies in defense of the crown, declare neutrality, or side with the rebels. This may make it difficult to manage a realm with both hereditary kings and viceroy kings. •. Effect. I really do like that it's far more simple and consistent to increase demense size. May 30, 2024 · There are 7 kinds of flavor text: 1 for Muslims, 1 for Christians, and five for Pagans. Viceroyalties are titles that you can give to vassals that revert to you upon their deaths. 5. Jul 1, 2022 · Exceeding the limit reduces the income from vassals by 5% for each vassal above the limit. While the initial investment of starting the snowball might seem difficult, I promise it will pay off quite well. Every 5 points of diplomacy skill add 1 vassal to limit. Trait Augustus now add 20 vassals to limit. This will only be available if they have land in that duchy already, or if you have land, which they will then take from you. Using the situation report icon (1), you can quickly check what titles you can create or usurp (2). I think the base vassal limit wants altering as I’ve noticed the base limit for the rank of a duke is 10, a king is 20, and an Emperor is 30. Byzantines start with Imperial Administration, which lets you give both away kingdom and duchy viceroyalties regardless of your legalism tech level. Oct 14, 2014 · markdb92 Oct 14, 2014 @ 9:11am. I want one instance of "revoked Vassal" malus at all time unless you have the "perfect" realm. Sep 9, 2020 · Being over on the vassal limit lowers your income, except you need income in order to create all the Duke titles again in order to get under the vassal limit. If you assassinate their entire dynasty then you inherit their lands as the liege. #1. I tried creating as many vassal kings as I could Oh, my reply applied to ck2, I couldn't quite gather from your post whether it was about 2 or 3. On the other hand, putting kings in charge of foreign territories makes it easier to control Independance factions (which Greek and Anatolian rulers Dec 6, 2019 · 12. 7Reasons to create duke-tier vassals. 40 or so vassals should be enough to do mongol invasion achivement of europe. You can edit one or more of the following parameters by entering a higher number: VASSAL_BASE_LIMIT (the vassal limit for everyone) Feb 26, 2024 · Your vassal limit is somewhere around 50, and you will hit it soon enough. They can then decide to join the defender or to not join. 000081% of the barony's gold. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. 44 Martial Headgear; 12. Jul 3, 2021 · Compatible with version 1. A Merchant Republic has many unique features compared to a normal Sep 6, 2015 · Tymefor Sep 6, 2015 @ 4:27pm. Dragster6681 Sep 9, 2020 @ 1:30pm. Once you give out a king title for your empire, this king then deals Nov 27, 2019 · Vassal tier for which revoking title won't trigger any negative opinion modifiers free_revoke_on_tiers = { count duke } ignore_in_vassal_limit_calculation List<government> Vassals with specified governments will not count toward the vassal limit. 12. txt file in "Crusader Kings III\game\common\modifiers" and everything worked fine. You get 2 advisers and 4 councilors as an empire. Toggle signature. Jan 3, 2021 · I think the vassal limit can bug out sometimes, you should verify that the amount of direct vassals you have actually match the amount shown. Some centralization levels give a small increase to demesne limit but lower vasaal limit. For demesne, you can use several triggered modifiers with the condition demesne_size_compared_to_limit. Liege Tax - CK2 wiki. Add that to a modifier effecting your character, such as found in Character Traits it Religion Doctrines, and you Feb 5, 2024 · The opinion penalty is -2 for each viceroy kingdom and -1 for each viceroy duchy held by a direct vassal. I tried granting my direct Count level Vassals to my Dukes but this does nothing. Dec 21, 2019 · Has this been changed, it seems really low all of a sudden? Now I can only have about 4, where before I could have about 20. Only Counts, Dukes or Kings have an effect for the Vassal-Limit A Baron (from a Castle, City or Temple) has no effect for the Vassal-Limit So, you have (for example) to give away 2 of your Counts to 1 of your Dukes to reduce (in this case) your Vassals by "-2" under your Vassal-Limit Sep 23, 2019 · Play Crusader Kings 2 over the last few centuries basically, and choose rules that reflect that era more. A fairly easy way of managing vassal limit is to concentrate power in the hands of a very powerful, singular vassal. When I get superhuge like in the OPs picture, I give each vassal the land in an entire dejure empire. If you give counties to a duke and they go over their domain limit, they'll give away the extra counties to vassals of their own. A tribal county, A titular kingdom title. lua has this excerpt: VASSAL_LIMIT_LEVY_MULTIPLIER = 1, -- Used for levy penalty calculation for being over vassal limit. A Merchant Republic is a realm that can engage in coastal trade. Give a courtier the city holding. Everyone will be over vassal and demesne limits when you start which often causes some shenanigans. If you have more than 40 duke-tier vassals, you'll have problems, but it takes a long time to get there. Feb 17, 2019 · For instance, if you become a successfully growing empire, eventually you'll have to start consolidating ducal vassals under kingly vassals, so as to stay under the vassal limit. Viceroyalties also have a -20% levy penalty to their liege. Legalism 4 allows kingdom viceroyalties, and Legalism 8 allows both kingdom and duchy viceroyalties. Crusader Kings is a historical grand strategy / RPG game series for PC, Mac, Linux, PlayStation 5 & Xbox Series X|S developed & published by Paradox Development Studio. I'm not sure if that's an option in your game. Muslims and Imperial realms will be largely unaffected thanks to free revocation of titles. 1. Taxes paid by vassals can be seen in the liege's "Vassals" tab, and totals for each vassal government type are Jun 12, 2015 · Jun 12, 2015. #5. Reactions: Reply. CK2 I am playing as Eastern Slav. Other reasons. I've been gradually building up a global eurasion empire though upon death of my last ruler and under his sucessor my demense size was reduced and I was easily over vassal limit. Note that nomads only have the "Status of Women" law and vassal obligation laws available to them. Due to a recent conquest I have passed my Vassal limit and I have no idea how I can get rid of some of them so that I am not surpassing Feb 23, 2015 · ajb2196 Feb 23, 2015 @ 12:03pm. ignore_in_vassal_limit_calculation = { tribal_government } vassal_call_to_arms List<government> r/CrusaderKings. A vassal is affected by a war, if he/she would lose land or his/her liege would change. Author of the mod Enlightenment, introducing gameplay with more immersion, role play and realism in EU4. You also don't have to deal with republican vassal offspring because they are chosen randomly after death on succession. You may spare a prisoner for a cost of 25 piety if you so choose. Vassal clans do not count towards a Khagan's vassal limit. 40 Vassal Limit; 12. 3Scatter the demands. You can use it to increase the vassal limit. An inland city somewhere. Jun 30, 2022 · As of the Monks and Mystics Expansion version, there were 4,457 holdings in the world in 1066, with potential for up to 5,190. You may want to try a save/load and see if that makes the change stick. Nov 19, 2021 · Demesne limit [edit | edit source] Nomadic rulers do not have a demesne limit. For if you play demesne in the default, and start as king of Sicily, England, Byzantine Emperor and others, you already start with as many holdings as the limit, and you need to supply many of them, and create powerful vassals, basically This should be good for one or two vassal limit points over time. After quitting for the night and starting up again in the morning it counted my direct vassals correctly. Patrician: -50% for vassal patricians (including vassal doges) Over Demesne Limit: -20% per county/holding over limit, with -100% at 5 over. That's 0. As the map receives further updates, the number of holdings may increase. jc bm fg vr zi ub du tv su qf